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Kenichi_101 Student
Posts : 115 Location : Ryouzanpaku
| Subject: Sai, Anbu Root Member Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:50 am | |
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InMemory]Cobain Hokage
Posts : 706 Location : My House
| Subject: Re: Sai, Anbu Root Member Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:11 am | |
| why you need to much ms boost if you already have a hold? | |
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Myskillzillz
Posts : 43
| Subject: Re: Sai, Anbu Root Member Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:16 am | |
| I don't get gow the first skill works/activates.
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InMemory]Cobain Hokage
Posts : 706 Location : My House
| Subject: Re: Sai, Anbu Root Member Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:43 am | |
| - Myskillzillz wrote:
- I don't get gow the first skill works/activates.
Maybe works overtime, after 5 seconds of the activation goes to cd of 5 seconds and them again xD | |
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Kenichi_101 Student
Posts : 115 Location : Ryouzanpaku
| Subject: Re: Sai, Anbu Root Member Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:05 pm | |
| - RockOn wrote:
- Myskillzillz wrote:
- I don't get gow the first skill works/activates.
Maybe works overtime, after 5 seconds of the activation goes to cd of 5 seconds and them again xD the first skill works when an enemy uses a spell. when an enemy uses a spell within 350 aoe of sai they are silenced along with any other enemy within the aoe. and when they get silinced any allies within 350 aoe gain 50% attack speed for 5 seconds. during this 5 seconds you can still silence enemies with ur passive but people who already have the 50% attack speed boost will not gain 50% more attack speed or have it reset on them, same goes for a already silenced enemy. Scenario: Jiro and temari v gai, sai, and kakashi Sai uses invis on himself to get close to jiro (within 350 range) when Sai breaks invis gai jumps in and attacks (inside 350 range of sai), this is when jiro uses one of his stuns and because he used a spell within 350 range of sai he is silenced for 2.5 seconds, and gai and sai gain 50% attack speed. Then Temari would use her tornado hold (outside of sai's aoe) to help jiro, then Temari gets cocky runs in and ults 2 seconds after jiro has been silenced. Temari is now silenced but Jiro's silence will be over in .5 seconds and gai + sai still has their attack speed boost for another 3 seconds. Kakashi would jump in to attack jiro and jiro now is able to cast spells again. Jiro stuns and is silenced again but temari (since already silenced) doesn't get effected by silence again. Kakashi would gain attack speed boost but gai's and sai's would end in 2 seconds. The silence doesn't stack or reset itself on the same hero, if you already have one of the debuffs or buffs then you won't be effected by the passive until they are gone. Enemy uses a spell inside range = Silence for enemy and + attack speed for allies within aoe around sai, does not stack or reset the buff/debuff - RockOn wrote:
- why you need to much ms boost if you already have a hold?
The ms boost is only for the person whom sai places his second skill on which makes them invisible. When that person breaks invis the ms boost is gone. | |
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Myskillzillz
Posts : 43
| Subject: Re: Sai, Anbu Root Member Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:18 pm | |
| - Kenichi_101 wrote:
- RockOn wrote:
- Myskillzillz wrote:
- I don't get gow the first skill works/activates.
Maybe works overtime, after 5 seconds of the activation goes to cd of 5 seconds and them again xD the first skill works when an enemy uses a spell. when an enemy uses a spell within 350 aoe of sai they are silenced along with any other enemy within the aoe. and when they get silinced any allies within 350 aoe gain 50% attack speed for 5 seconds. during this 5 seconds you can still silence enemies with ur passive but people who already have the 50% attack speed boost will not gain 50% more attack speed or have it reset on them, same goes for a already silenced enemy.
Scenario: Jiro and temari v gai, sai, and kakashi
Sai uses invis on himself to get close to jiro (within 350 range) when Sai breaks invis gai jumps in and attacks (inside 350 range of sai), this is when jiro uses one of his stuns and because he used a spell within 350 range of sai he is silenced for 2.5 seconds, and gai and sai gain 50% attack speed. Then Temari would use her tornado hold (outside of sai's aoe) to help jiro, then Temari gets cocky runs in and ults 2 seconds after jiro has been silenced. Temari is now silenced but Jiro's silence will be over in .5 seconds and gai + sai still has their attack speed boost for another 3 seconds. Kakashi would jump in to attack jiro and jiro now is able to cast spells again. Jiro stuns and is silenced again but temari (since already silenced) doesn't get effected by silence again. Kakashi would gain attack speed boost but gai's and sai's would end in 2 seconds. The silence doesn't stack or reset itself on the same hero, if you already have one of the debuffs or buffs then you won't be effected by the passive until they are gone.
Enemy uses a spell inside range = Silence for enemy and + attack speed for allies within aoe around sai, does not stack or reset the buff/debuff
- RockOn wrote:
- why you need to much ms boost if you already have a hold?
The ms boost is only for the person whom sai places his second skill on which makes them invisible. When that person breaks invis the ms boost is gone. ok so it doesnt stack but after the first 5 seconds for jir, if he cast another spell he just gets silenced again? that sounds like a little over powered, thats almost perma silence if the enemy cast spell wrong... or maybe i just am not understanding it correctly. this is how i see it... jir tem nid vs sia kaka jir runs in and nid dashes in, so they are both silenced. so sai, kaka have the boost. temm uses a skill, now shes silenced. a few seconds later nid/jir unsilenced, and jir uses another move. now him and nid are silenced again, right after they just got unsilenced.... it is a good idea but i think it will be overpowered against melee heros like lee/yond/kimi/etc... | |
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Kenichi_101 Student
Posts : 115 Location : Ryouzanpaku
| Subject: Re: Sai, Anbu Root Member Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:55 pm | |
| ur not reading it correctly. When an enemy casts a spell inside of the aoe - this means inside of a 350 aoe around sai, nids dash would be outside of aoe meaning nobody gets silenced, same with jiro (first stun) and temari spells - The person has to be inside of the aoe, if one is silenced he cant be silenced again until he can use spells again. I gave Sai low hp growth to counter this so he will be squishy and you can kill him fairly easily without spells. But if you don't kill him off first he will be effective in team battles.
In simpler terms, Silence has a 2.5 cd for each hero it effects, Silence will only be activated on a hero if any enemy of sai's casts a spell within 350 AOE OF SAI, meaning ranged spells that are cast outside of the aoe will not activate the silence.
For the attack speed boost it activates when Silence activates each time, but if sai or an ally already has the attack speed buff then they won't get it again until its gone.
for coding: EHspell = enemy hero spell Eheros = enemy heros Aheros = Allied heros
If EHspell in 350 aoe = true ....Eheros in 350 aoe = silenced for 2.5 sec ....If Aheros in 350 aoe = true ........Aheros in 350 aoe = AS buff ....Else ........Nothing Else ....Nothing End
I am thinking of changing skill 3 to something that would be easier to code, maybe just send ink mouse in a specific direction, if enemy gets within x range of mouse then that hero will be tracked. Sai would gain an ability called "release" and when activated would cause the mouse to turn back to ink slowing enemy hero by x%. Or make it the same as Seed and give "release" ability. | |
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Myskillzillz
Posts : 43
| Subject: Re: Sai, Anbu Root Member Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:35 pm | |
| - Kenichi_101 wrote:
- ur not reading it correctly. When an enemy casts a spell inside of the aoe - this means inside of a 350 aoe around sai, nids dash would be outside of aoe meaning nobody gets silenced, same with jiro (first stun) and temari spells - The person has to be inside of the aoe, if one is silenced he cant be silenced again until he can use spells again. I gave Sai low hp growth to counter this so he will be squishy and you can kill him fairly easily without spells. But if you don't kill him off first he will be effective in team battles.
In simpler terms, Silence has a 2.5 cd for each hero it effects, Silence will only be activated on a hero if any enemy of sai's casts a spell within 350 AOE OF SAI, meaning ranged spells that are cast outside of the aoe will not activate the silence.
For the attack speed boost it activates when Silence activates each time, but if sai or an ally already has the attack speed buff then they won't get it again until its gone.
for coding: EHspell = enemy hero spell Eheros = enemy heros
What about heroes like kimi? Will it go off for passive spells like asuma? Aheros = Allied heros
If EHspell in 350 aoe = true ....Eheros in 350 aoe = silenced for 2.5 sec ....If Aheros in 350 aoe = true ........Aheros in 350 aoe = AS buff ....Else ........Nothing Else ....Nothing End
I am thinking of changing skill 3 to something that would be easier to code, maybe just send ink mouse in a specific direction, if enemy gets within x range of mouse then that hero will be tracked. Sai would gain an ability called "release" and when activated would cause the mouse to turn back to ink slowing enemy hero by x%. Or make it the same as Seed and give "release" ability. | |
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Nyaaaasshka Student
Posts : 136
| Subject: Re: Sai, Anbu Root Member Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:52 pm | |
| In right hands he can rush 1vs5 kill 1-2 and escape
in other words, nerf him. Nerf him alot ! he is waay to imba | |
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Jiraiya Anbu
Posts : 485 Age : 30 Location : Mount Mbyoku.
| Subject: Re: Sai, Anbu Root Member Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:18 am | |
| too much mana cost.abilities on last level just to do 3 of them you need 1000 mana. | |
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Kenichi_101 Student
Posts : 115 Location : Ryouzanpaku
| Subject: Re: Sai, Anbu Root Member Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:30 pm | |
| Things I changed:
Skill 1: has 10 sec cd, and at lvl 4 duration of 5 sec. when an enemy uses a spell in aoe, it goes off, silencing enemies and giving as boost to allies (including sai). Changed again, made it an active spell instead of passive.
Skill 2: Adjusted mana cost. only 140 at lvl 4 now.
Skill 3: made it like yamato seed, but also gives a skill called release which he gains only when he uses skill 3 on an enemy. Release just slows enemies for 3 sec (lvl 4) in aoe.
Skill 4: adjusted damage and reduced duration and mana cost.
If anyone knows where to find icons for skill 3 then please let me know, I've looked on hivesworkshop. | |
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Kenichi_101 Student
Posts : 115 Location : Ryouzanpaku
| Subject: Re: Sai, Anbu Root Member Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:46 pm | |
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Jiraiya Anbu
Posts : 485 Age : 30 Location : Mount Mbyoku.
| Subject: Re: Sai, Anbu Root Member Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:11 pm | |
| Double post. Just edit your own post dont make another | |
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Kenichi_101 Student
Posts : 115 Location : Ryouzanpaku
| Subject: Re: Sai, Anbu Root Member Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:30 pm | |
| - Jiraiya wrote:
- Double post. Just edit your own post dont make another
a.) sorry, but I didn't want to repost the whole suggestion just to get people to see the changes i made. b.) I've seen people double post before just to get people's attention that they changed something or aren't getting any feedback. c.) your post is completely off topic on my suggestion of sai. d.) i'm re-phrasing my double post so you can remind yourself of the previous "double posters" who have done it before | |
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Jiraiya Anbu
Posts : 485 Age : 30 Location : Mount Mbyoku.
| Subject: Re: Sai, Anbu Root Member Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:28 pm | |
| people who say double post to revive topic just say usually bump. and that's not for baning u are free to say that but not every 5 mins.
Suggestion is good but increase cd of invis because 15 sec duration and 8 sec cd.you buy jira sandals and perma invis -.- | |
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Kenichi_101 Student
Posts : 115 Location : Ryouzanpaku
| Subject: Re: Sai, Anbu Root Member Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:03 pm | |
| - Jiraiya wrote:
- people who say double post to revive topic just say usually bump. and that's not for baning u are free to say that but not every 5 mins.
Suggestion is good but increase cd of invis because 15 sec duration and 8 sec cd.you buy jira sandals and perma invis -.- I had it low so he can invis more than 1 person for a gank. * increased cd to 20 sec all level, and gave it a 2 sec fade time. @Jiraiya: I changed my post to "bump" :/ | |
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Jiraiya Anbu
Posts : 485 Age : 30 Location : Mount Mbyoku.
| Subject: Re: Sai, Anbu Root Member Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:20 am | |
| Good..Now it's just like treant's spell | |
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