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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:36 pm

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Yeap

So you play alone? XD you need to organize your team thats a important part of the game
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PostSubject: Rock Lee   Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:00 pm

Yeap! I donĀ“t have a team to disable the other heros
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:06 am

Probably best guide you ever made so far.

Agree with everything except orb, in some rare cases you can go with twin fang instead of jashin rage(fast tobi rush of one of your teammates, tsuna in team).



Bkb is core item cause it also block dmg from your ulti. Easiest way to kill lee is to disable him for 5-6 secs after he used ulti...


P.p.s And again i wouldnt reject probagation in 100% cases as well, dont forget that it is more escape and push tool rather than item for killing in teamfights.And it is not an orb...like twin fangs
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:54 pm

Nyaashka wrote:
Probably best guide you ever made so far.

Agree with everything except orb, in some rare cases you can go with twin fang instead of jashin rage(fast tobi rush of one of your teammates, tsuna in team).



Bkb is core item cause it also block dmg from your ulti. Easiest way to kill lee is to disable him for 5-6 secs after he used ulti...


P.p.s And again i wouldnt reject probagation in 100% cases as well, dont forget that it is more escape and push tool rather than item for killing in teamfights.And it is not an orb...like twin fangs
What happened to your account? Did you forgot your pw or something?
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:13 pm

Sad, but true ) I did xD
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:20 pm

Nidamee helm rejected? its a dirt cheap item for the lifesteal and the steriod u get upon activation. it also helps when u are chasing(hunting) and MUCH more follow up after lotus.

Nidamme helm is to invaluable early game to say not to get, switch it out late if u like. other than that the skill build e.t.c is awesome, this oddly reminds me to QQ about the (much needed) reduced range on his lotus.

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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:04 pm

Nidaime's helm on juugo or gai are the shit but with lee its a doble edge weapon you just need to be holded once and its all over.
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Wed May 30, 2012 2:20 pm

GREAT Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:24 pm

we want more builds
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:56 am

awesome guide but i go for smahser after gelel/remi/boots

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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:44 am

''As you can see, he has a pretty average stats. His Str and Agi gain are normal, save his Int gain which is pretty low. You could say he is not a smart fellow, with his fighting style compensating for it.''

trololol ''average stats''. I.e the best stats in the game? Highest base MS, armor, dmg, second highest agi growth, very good strenght for an agility hero. Pro trolling ;D.

Anyway for pub stomping I advice Assassin cloak. Funny shit, invis backstabb hit->holdshit-> ulti autohits dead before they can react ;O. Troll build, but he does actually need some initation for solo kills, and unlike dagger this does actually give dps.
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:03 am

e-Glory.Lucci wrote:
''As you can see, he has a pretty average stats. His Str and Agi gain are normal, save his Int gain which is pretty low. You could say he is not a smart fellow, with his fighting style compensating for it.''

trololol ''average stats''. I.e the best stats in the game? Highest base MS, armor, dmg, second highest agi growth, very good strenght for an agility hero. Pro trolling ;D.

Anyway for pub stomping I advice Assassin cloak. Funny shit, invis backstabb hit->holdshit-> ulti autohits dead before they can react ;O. Troll build, but he does actually need some initation for solo kills, and unlike dagger this does actually give dps.

That niggasarius taught me that build, but how will you build him on a cm if you pick him as the carry of the team.
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:43 pm

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e-Glory.Lucci wrote:
''As you can see, he has a pretty average stats. His Str and Agi gain are normal, save his Int gain which is pretty low. You could say he is not a smart fellow, with his fighting style compensating for it.''

trololol ''average stats''. I.e the best stats in the game? Highest base MS, armor, dmg, second highest agi growth, very good strenght for an agility hero. Pro trolling ;D.

Anyway for pub stomping I advice Assassin cloak. Funny shit, invis backstabb hit->holdshit-> ulti autohits dead before they can react ;O. Troll build, but he does actually need some initation for solo kills, and unlike dagger this does actually give dps.

That niggasarius taught me that build, but how will you build him on a cm if you pick him as the carry of the team.

The guide is pretty alright tbh, idate/gelel will be core of course. Won't be able to do anything against organized 5 man fights without gelel. Chain disable when lee ulti= well not so healthy lee ;D. Idate with remi/gelel as protective items will be plenty, then go raw dmg ->crit/conch/iron crow. Lifesteal/twins/probagation/smasher all situational and alright items, depends on game. You have all the IAS you need with ulti+high agi, so aim for items that does most possible dmg in short time, i.e burst dps with ulti(you don't want ulti on for longer periods). This is of course assuming you have a good laneup and allies with plenty disable(which is normal in cm). In pubs however I find myself being kited/opponents fleeing AT SIGHT as I approach unless they are a whole team ganging up on me. That is why I love items like AC/shuko(twin/proba)/csmasher so you can easily solo kill them before they get to run away.
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:11 pm

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Nidamee helm rejected? its a dirt cheap item for the lifesteal and the steriod u get upon activation. it also helps when u are chasing(hunting) and MUCH more follow up after lotus.

Nidamme helm is to invaluable early game to say not to get, switch it out late if u like. other than that the skill build e.t.c is awesome, this oddly reminds me to QQ about the (much needed) reduced range on his lotus.

I dont see why you would get nidas on lee even after your explanation... first the life steal is much lower then tobis, you waste an orb effect, money spent could be put on much better items, the bonus attack speed is useless since level 3 ult allows you to get max attack speed(or close to it), the bonus MS is probably the only good thing, but for lee? no, hes not a chaser and even if he was/regarded as, his first skill + twin/Chakra smasher/lunar is much better to have than nidas.
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:59 pm

Twin sucks on Lee. Nids gives him more AS/MS = life steal when you have over 300 attack as Lee. Trust me its good. I used AGI treads as my boots for more AS. If you have an anti-carry , carry or Gaara who got an AC, get Conch. If none has Conch, get Rag. Faster lifesteal with the crits and extra AS.
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:15 pm

I prefer Jashim relic to sustain the waste of life that his ult does, this mean u can fuck disablers with that item when using ultimate because you can recover faster.
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:34 pm

So...

Nidaime Helm is a nice and cheap item. For a low cost, you can have both good AS/MS + lifesteal.
The problem is lategame, it's wasting an orb effect with no stats given for a lifesteal than could be added with your or ally's Tobi mask. + It doesn't give you stats at all.
It should be an item to buy if you wanna win+kill easily and fastly + if ure sure u won't get disable.

Twin is also a good item coz it both give stats, good MS and a slowing orb effect. Beginning by purchase shuko, it is useful even if the results won't be as significative as a nidaime helm begin game BUT it will help a lot when the game wil last longer since u get both AGI and STR bonus which allows you to survive more on the battlefield.

Jashin needs you to farm a lot or get a lotta fed. Aint easy to kill a lot with a sarutobi helm which helps less than a nidaime helm and a shuko. But when u got have this, you can both deals much damage and survive much more longer than nida helm or twin.
The only problem with it is that you need to purchase it fast knowing that it requires a lot of gold and that sarutobi helm will help less than other items.
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:43 pm

The issue here is that Lee's ult is a pure damage health loss overtime and you require a significant amount of gold. While Jashin itself gives you a major health boost, you also have to pay a large amount of gold in order to gain this buff. As Godscream said, Nidaime Helm is much cheaper to buy and use. HOWEVER, those people who go Idates as Lee shouldn't do that because even though it gives you more damage, Lee's damage is SOLELY based on his attack speed and his base + item damage. Treads is the best way to go because you can shift its stat bonuses which is REALLY handy in a life or death situation. Life Steal is not a wasteful orb effect. Fangs orb is quite useless since its based on chance and attack speed. I'd rather have a solid orb rather than a gamble. Idk why you said that tbh. Tobi's Mask lifesteal is significantly lower than Nidaime/Jashin which has a tier 1 life steal effect along with 'Mask of Ne ' however it provides a supportive boost, armor and attack to your team. Lee shouldn't get a support item like this. This would be an item for Tsunade or other support, no? While Jashins offers a significant health boost and a 200% life steal bonus (I think? I don't get this item often), you have to pay over 4000 gold when you have to get other items such as Gelel and Shuko which provide speed and magic invulnerability. At last, Nidaimes Helm. While Nidaime Helm has no stat bonuses or item damage, it provides both attack speed and move speed ALONG with a good life steal. With that, pair it up with Gelel and his E, Lee is unstoppable if he's back up by his team. Pair this up with Mask and Shukos bonuses, you have around approximately 456 move speed. You will outrun them and that w slows them significantly. THEREFORE, while Nidaime's Helm seems like a poor choice compared to those, you have a better chance at winning and carrying the game with Nidaimes rather than having to farm all game for 4k while you can spend items on something more worthwhile.
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:08 pm

Well against an organised team nidame helm will be lee's doom.
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:53 pm

Indeed, but what if your team is organized too?
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:02 pm

Lol if your both team are organized. Take the better item u think valuable and useful depending on ennemy heroes, on your curent gold budget, on your ganking style (don't talk about gangnammmm Razz) !
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:08 pm

If team your is organized that doesnt mean that the other team still wont focus u if they see u using the nidaime helm, i think on ih that item would be lee's doom a 100%
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:05 am

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If team your is organized that doesnt mean that the other team still wont focus u if they see u using the nidaime helm, i think on ih that item would be lee's doom a 100%
Positioning > A team's intent to focus you.
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:44 am

warding > positioning. Sadly everything has counters :/
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PostSubject: Re: Rock Lee/Taijutsu Specialist   Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:45 pm

Natsu wrote:
warding > positioning. Sadly everything has counters :/

Positioning is based on your vision so... that doesn't really make it a counter.
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