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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:49 am

I dont think Gelel should be in Hinata's Core, and i > you Echo.

Also i read that you dont feel that 150 hp makes the difference, thats a lame way to think beside a tank should be get all the Str that they need. Another point here is that this guide is about an Onoki ''tank'' not a spell caster or something else thats why Jiraiyas sandals dont fit in this case.

You should read the full guide before start and argue.

Onoki ''tank'' remember that.

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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:50 am

Eol wrote:
I dont think Gelel should be in Hinata's Core, and i > you Echo.

Also i read that you dont feel that 150 hp makes the difference, thats a lame way to think beside a tank should be get all the Str that they need. Another point here is that this guide is about an Onoki ''tank'' not a spell caster or something else thats why Jiraiyas sandals dont fit in this case.

You should read the full guide before start and argue.

Onoki ''tank'' remember that.

QFT eat that Echo pub.
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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:53 am

He can still be a tank with a good mana pool...just saying, I chage the boots u put in first post for jiraya sandals, just it... and sometimes change shell mace for hexagonal, 2 ults=50% foe's HP, but you need some practice to dont use both ults in same time...
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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:25 am

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and i < you Echo.

Fixed

Finals are over next week and I get a long break after they are done so I can finally play on my desktop, lets play then.

Eol wrote:
I dont think Gelel should be in Hinata's Core

Then explain why, go back to the thread where I argued for gelel as core and explain why it shouldn't be. Or are you like Cobain, unwilling to admit that you're wrong?

Eol wrote:
Also i read that you dont feel that 150 hp makes the difference, thats a lame way to think beside a tank should be get all the Str that they need. Another point here is that this guide is about an Onoki ''tank'' not a spell caster or something else thats why Jiraiyas sandals dont fit in this case.

Ofc he's a tank, and ofc 150 hp makes a difference I've survived ganks before from turning non-STR treads into STR mode in the middle of ganks. But that's not the reason you get ownd instantly in team fights, that you don't have +8 STR as Cobain has argued. Caster? You mean just support/tank in general? He's got -dmg aura, +armor/return buff on ally/self, AoE disable, and DoT ultimate. And he's a capable roamer with his Stun/Ultimate. And to be able to utilize that stun early on multiple times, you need Jiraiya sandals. Otherwise his stun is costly, and his ultimate is extremely costly.

Sandals has its benefits in laning phase too, probably more than having Treads does. If you're better off in laning phase, you and your ally will be better off later - better items comes with better farm. That means obtaining your cores faster.

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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:38 am

Sure Echo, Jiraiya sandals are useful if you wanna play as a support , no body doubts that.

But this guide is about being a ''Tank'' and for being a tank you need Str just that.

If you try to ignore the fact that this guide was about an Onoki ''tank'' you are going to humilliate yourself.


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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:23 am

Still think thats trends can be switched with jiraya sandal with no problem and still have a tank build, 8 str isnt big deal... and having mana u get kill, assist and farm better.if u prefer, sell sandals mid game and buy trends
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PostSubject: TrendsXJiraya┬┤s   Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:12 pm

Both options are good choices but picking sandals is a mistake.
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PostSubject: Guide   Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:56 pm

Approved! I tested the build and i like trends the most.
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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:08 pm

salsa wrote:
Still think thats trends can be switched with jiraya sandal with no problem and still have a tank build, 8 str isnt big deal... and having mana u get kill, assist and farm better.if u prefer, sell sandals mid game and buy trends

^seriously this.

He's tank/support. Remi or Onbu makes the +150 HP a negligible bonus. Hell, you can ditch the sandals later once you think your mana pool is large enough for something like Idates, which helps chase down enemies to hold and ult them.
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PostSubject: Build   Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:37 pm

Trends+dagger is the best option
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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:54 am

jiraya helps ypu farmin and harassing enemy early game, get trends later.
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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:47 am

salsa wrote:
jiraya helps ypu farmin and harassing enemy early game, get trends later.

How that can help you farming if Onoki dont has nukes?

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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:50 am

Eol wrote:
salsa wrote:
jiraya helps ypu farmin and harassing enemy early game, get trends later.

How that can help you farming if Onoki dont has nukes?

Thats a nice question
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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:06 am

If u have mana to harass enemies, faming will be easier
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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:01 am

How can you harras if you got only 1 skill ( with out count your ulti ) you think the other team dont have spells?
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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:16 am

i never solo with Onoki, and I always try to lane with someone who can harass 2 '-'
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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:53 am

salsa wrote:
i never solo with Onoki, and I always try to lane with someone who can harass 2 '-'

no point here
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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:55 am

If im doing ok with him whatever your opnions '-'
just joking

But for me works, and I dont see problem if some itens works for your style
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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:57 am

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If im doing ok with him whatever your opnions '-'
just joking

But for me works, and I dont see problem if some itens works for your style

You'r right, every build is good if you can beat your opponents

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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:59 am

And again, this build isnt a rule, u can modify it to what fits better for you =]
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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:00 pm

man i gotta love to play Onoki, i am pretty sure he is one of the most op characters ingame. The only thing is if you go in to the battle and b on the front line you will most likesly get killed( no escaping skill ). Still he is fun to play.
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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:44 pm

InMemory]Cobain wrote:
How can you harras if you got only 1 skill ( with out count your ulti ) you think the other team dont have spells?

Yeah, you probably will not be BETTER than any ranged heroes at harassing, or melee heroes like Itachi, Kisame, Asuma per say at harassing, but Oonoki's stun still hurts a lot when spammed.

Then you'll probably have significant lane control against most hard carries, because they're not very hp intensive at all.

Like spamming Itachi's Tsuki.

No one said the other team had no spells.
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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:58 pm

EchoingVoid wrote:
InMemory]Cobain wrote:
How can you harras if you got only 1 skill ( with out count your ulti ) you think the other team dont have spells?

Yeah, you probably will not be BETTER than any ranged heroes at harassing, or melee heroes like Itachi, Kisame, Asuma per say at harassing, but Oonoki's stun still hurts a lot when spammed.

Then you'll probably have significant lane control against most hard carries, because they're not very hp intensive at all.

Like spamming Itachi's Tsuki.

No one said the other team had no spells.

true true.. but hey u on w3 atm? can u tell jim and twas to reply to my post in hangout?
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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:59 am

Lol i tested Jiraiyas sandals on Onoki and was a mess, he cant chase a shit. So from my point of view...fails.
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PostSubject: Re: Onoki/Tsuchikage   Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:23 am

nah you failed with that sandals'-'
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